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<div style="text-align: justify;">For this inaugural open thread using the new commenting system, I'd like to suggest readers discuss the "Foxy Knoxy" murder -- the alleged murder of Briton Meredith Kercher by Rudy Hermann Guede, Amanda Knox, and Raffaele Sollecito. Click here
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1. Neither Rudy, Raf, or Amanda committed murder that night. None were involved in violence against Meredith.
2. Most of what Rudy says is the truth. He leaves out some details of what happened that night, and also the name of the killer, which he knows. Fran referenced some articles earlier that say that in a taped conversation RG admitted to his father that he knew the name of the killer but was too afraid to reveal it.
3. The real killer is known to all of them, at least by sight and reputation. He is someone to really fear.
4. This case would be much simpler for the police if it were just a case of finding out which of these kids killed MK. But the truth is much more dangerous and difficult.
Okay, If we believe Rudy, everything starts to make more sense. It causes us to see AK, RS, and even RG the way people who know them see them, as young people incapable of such violence. When we thought they could have been killers, especially Amanda, we had to stretch our imagination, but we did so because we thought the evidence pointed to them. With Rudy's story, we don't have to stretch anymore. Amanda is just an unwise, promiscuous girl. RS is just a fool for a girl, and RG is so, so unlucky always. The person who stabbed MK in the neck is a hardened criminal. Now it does all make sense.
Patrick mentioned that he was afraid of firing Amanda, afraid of repercussions of some sort. When I read that I thought he just meant she wouldn't bring her friends there anymore. It might be more than that. In describing how difficult it was to have her as an employee, he said that he, as her boss, was even told by one of the fellows with whom she was flirting to to leave her alone. I think the implication was that he had to back down.
The police should be looking for that person, or men like him, men with whom Amanda associated who were real criminals, men who everyone is a little afraid of. Not like Rudy, who I would guess no one is afraid of.
Please consider these things. Ciao.
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I have no problem believing Meredith liked him. That joke he told her about sucking his blood because she lost her cup was so cute and clever. If I were a girl, dressed like a vampire at a party, and a guy said that to me, and if he presented himself as cutely as the joke is, I would have laughed out loud. I get the picture Rudy is very likable. Why did that rich man take pity on him? I've seen quotes from friends that say he's very nice. And his complaint about being portrayed as a drug dealer might be valid. That may be overblown. He's a student. Maybe he has sold some drugs on a small scale, maybe he's been found with some, but he may not be a hardcore criminal. Maybe he's more like Amanda. You think she's never sold any on a casual basis? Provided some?
Anyway I have no problem with the idea that they flirted at the party. He said they kissed. It might have been a real kiss, it might have been a peck on the cheek. In Italy everyone kisses on the cheek. But if she didn't have special feelings for him, maybe he exaggerated it because he liked her. Guys do that all the time.
Maybe she was just being nice to him and he imagined it more. Maybe he said he wanted to come over to her house and she said "Okay," being all vague and nice, while he was being specific. These kind of things happen all the time, you know that.
Or maybe she really liked him and did arrange to meet him, but she wasn't ready to tell her friends. That happens too.
The story of affection between them may not be true, but I have no problem believing it (a week ago I would have though). But I think that when Rudy talks now of HIS affection it's very real. He watched her die. He's bonded to her forever. Her tragedy... I'm sure many people writing on this blog cry for Meredith sometimes. I'm sure he cries every night for her. Take a look at his recent photos.
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The psychology of the b&e criminal is very scary. No psychological or physical boundry applies to them.
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This scenario, however, does not take into account Rudy's DNA in/on Meredith.
kb
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So I do still believe there was a "clean up" and or altering of the crime scene after Rudy left. And maybe this is where AK and RS come into the picture. They are involved somehow. They are also afraid. Remember, AK is probably the reason this dangerous character is in the house (unless he is there because of the residents of the apt. below).
When RS complains about "helping" people, I think he's talking about AK. She came to him with this problem. She's involves somehow in this scene that went out of hand and turned to murder. Maybe this guy is so dangerous and protected that they too don't want to tell the police. So, RS helps her cover up things, so she doesn't have to tell police anything about this other guy. If it were simply a mystery rape, perpetrated by someone else, she's free and clear. Now RS says he wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for AK, and he says it's better to save yourself and not help others sometimes.
Back to the DNA. I think I've read on this blog that in this preliminary stage, evidence like DNA evidence can merely be mentioned, but needn't be proven to pass the rigorous standards they have in a final trial. This DNA evidence may prove not to be real, or conclusive. Or it may be a result of contamination in the lab (it happens), or it may have been planted. What form did this DNA come from? Was it skin, semen, shit? We don't know.
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Check out the second paragraph below.
http://www.agi.it/italy/news/200712141908-cro-r...
"those judging the review...have heard - in addition to the defence - the reconstruction of the grounds for the charge and the comments by the magistrate on the "relationship/non-relationship" between Rudy and Meredith. The two allegedly did not have any date the evening before 1 November simply because on that date they had not even met."
"The bloodied fingerprint on the pillow found next to Meredith, the DNA traces on the vaginal swab carried out as part of the autopsy and epithelial ones found in the bathroom are the mark left by Rudy Hermann Guede in the house..."
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I don't know how they concluded that R and M never met. They might conclude differently later.
The bloody thumbprint, yeah it's his. He had blood all over his hands because he tried to help her, he said. The bathroom, he was there. The vaginal swab? I explained my problem with that. She was dressed when she was killed.
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But she was not dressed when she was found. And Rudy's DNA was found on vaginal swabs.
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I think he is. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's killed other women. He also left his DNA in the victim and all around the crime scene. Why didn't Rudy's "real dangerous man" have a dangerous weapon? Rudy says he was armed with a very thin instrument that had only a narrow, sharp tip. The description matches the wounds on the victim and the wound on Rudy's palm. The knife from RS's kitchen was too wide to have been the murder weapon.
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That sounds like real dangerous weapon to me. Rudy said it made a very deep cut, and it was very sharp.
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I'm asking you cause I've seen you made it with all videos of this case.
Thanks
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http://www.techcrunch.com/get-youtube-movie/
The file will download as a .flv extension. You will then need to convert it to .avi or .mpg in order to re-upload it to your own YouTube acct. To handle .flv files and to do conversions. you can try:
http://tinyurl.com/9xyy6
Total Video Converter -- that's what I've used, and it's done the job just fine. To break it down:
1. Download YouTube vid you want via techcrunch tool
2. Download the Total Video Converter -- or any similar program
3. If you want to use the .flv file, the Total Video Converter will play it
4. If you want to re-upload to your own YouTube, you will have to convert the video to .avi or .mpeg and upload it.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
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HOW TO LINK EXPLICITLY TO ANOTHER POST
1. Hover over the user icon beside the post you wish to link to. You will get a little menu that includes the item "Permalink".
2. Right-click on the Permalink item to bring up a menu. This will let you select "Copy Link Location" (or similar, depending on which browser you use).
3. Paste the link into the post you are creating.
4. Important: Edit out the part of the link between the final "/" and the "#". This will look something like "?s=oldest&v=threaded". If you don't do this, the link will cause the page to be regenerated with your sort and view preferences, not the other users'.
(Reposted as new to allow threaded users to see it easily, and to allow for points :) )
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PARTIAL SOLUTION Use relative URLs. This means actually writing some HTML. Here I have created a link to the parent of this post. The HTML code I embedded to do this was:
<a href="#comment-36779">link to the parent of this post</a>
(but still this fails when the posts are not on the same page in the paginated version. Still trying and testing...)
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But now I am a bit confused again. I am using the //true.crimewebblog.disqus etc. version but does that still cause the instructions you previously listed to give a follow up reader a "false page" link or "other page" link. Relative links I understand but that is going to be a manual HTML entry after looking up the URL. Just more confusion for a bunch of amateur sleuths as myself.
Xin is right! This is beta software and not the best. Seems as though we could possibly be the best beta team they might encounter. Would hope Steve or someone might update them to our efforts. *lol*
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No, they're currently the best we can do. What it will do is cause users of the embedded, paginated, version to be redirected here when they click on one of your links. On balance, not a bad thing.
Also, there will be no broken links if they're directed here, whereas there sometimes will be with relative URLs when accessed via the paginated version.
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http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t...
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I want to ask, please reply :):-
* Do you think AK was there that night at the time of the murder?
* What was she doing during the murder (your guess?)?
* What did she do that night/morning after the murder(again your guess)?
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* What was she doing during the murder (your guess?)?
* What did she do that night/morning after the murder(again your guess)?
I don't know, I used to think she was, but doubt it now. If she was there, the assault was in progress when Amanda entered the house.
She left when she heard the screams and wandered back to RS's house.
The next morning she did exactly what she said she did.
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The crime couldn't have been already in progress as she entered because CCTV & witness statements re: MKs arrival puts her there at 8:40-ish before MK.
Unless you mean, she arrived, went out for 9 at the basketball court, ALL while stoned off her face, came back, the crime was in progress then.
OR came back, smoked dope or whatever she 'did'. THEN the crime happened.
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That's all speculation.
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But still, I have noted both you and seattleite do not say AK was definitely not there during the crime.
thanks :)
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it is looking more and more likely that RHG is very violent, and guilty, I agree. IMHO AK is more involved in this than just being a passive innocent by-stander though. I don't know what to make if the bra thing, and if that means as some have suggested half/full necrophilia, or if he was part of some of the staging?
I don't know why he first denied she was there, I think she help set up the situation, and the prospect as RHG said was appealing to him. I don't know if he stabbed her though, as I can't see why he's use a piece of glass, it's illogical. He obviously wasn't there to ransack the property, at least 1 knife if not two were involved, so that to me screams premed, even if it was just planned an hour earlier, it's premed IMHO. They had knives, they were 'ready to go'.
Erm, as I said I am squemish but my mum has sky-plussed(point of contention) loads of csis that I am clearing off on to DVD today. Anyway, in this one episode there was no blood splatter initially from a victim because the weapon was left in their throat for a short time.
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* MK lets herself into her house (she is not ambushed outside by RHG cos she has mushrooms)
further, I find it strange that if she lt rhg in for a rondevous she'd eat cheese & mushrooms with him, unless she did so before he came - unlikely cos of digestion time of mushrooms & time of death.
* RHG has broken in before (but MK hasn't noticed and how did RHG move to other rooms to ransack without a key) or after (and MK would have had to lead him to her room for the money - toilet soiling goes against this too cos it's more likely imho he pottied before the ambush).
* MK eats mushroom meal on her own (why, if they didn't, did the ILE not find the punnet in the house fridge or in the litter bags, why only in RS fridge).
* She goes to her room & is ambushed on the way by RHG.
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* she answers the doorbell
I wonder why he went to the house, how he knew or thought it was empty. maybe he came looking for AK. he'd have to have been carrying a knife. or else MK gashed his hand with her dinner or cooking knife, and he later used this.
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Here's RS's Audi, parked out front of the police station on Nov. 5. or 6. when he got arrested. I guess Dad had a spare set of keys, otherwise it's still parked there.
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?4348...
Good nite!
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My own bias (all three are involved in someway in different aspects of Nov. 1 p.m.) shows through. Even those who support other scenarios may get something out of the PPT.
Download it at:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5kwcoj9jm0j
(I hope that becomes clickable when I post. Otherwise, copy and paste that address into your browser. Cheers).
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http://www.mediafire.com/?5kwcoj9jm0j
(I hope that becomes clickable when I post. Otherwise, copy and paste that address into your browser. Cheers).
thanks for that, so RHG/AK could have got a lift off Bulagaio from RS who went to the car park?
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I think she will address questions with the attorney trying to keep her in control. I would tell her to STFU but may be they believe she has a chance to go to house arrest or something. Amanda is Amanda's own worst enemy in this case...not because there is loads of proof that she is guilty but because she is Amanda.
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I think it could shoot them in the foot long-term though, because she can't blame her confusion on the duress of interrogation. Then again, she still has 'stoned/mashed'. BUT, I think the prosecution will show her & RS 'timelines' are very constructed?
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RS's attorneys have him on a leash, waiting for who-knows-what, and Rudy is scared, well, shitless, as he should be. No one has been charged yet, so there lies ahead a very clear reason to talk.
The fact that AK and RS are silent begs the opinion that they've got something to be silent about. Neither's past predicts any sort of comfort in being in jail. Aside from everything else, they are poised to become the potential RUIN of their families, if only considering the $$$.
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seattleite: Yes, agree maybe as the singing nun.....
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To frame RHG, AK's strategy was to:
1. remove all dna apart from RHG's --- she achieved this almost 100 percent by bleaching everything, washing MK's clothes apart from certain "key" items, and disposing of her own bloodied pullover.
2. tell police that she saw a black man at the scene --- to get them on the "perp's" trail. (She achieved this by saying that she saw PL - he was ideal because he was black like RHG. Of couse she couldn't say it was RHG himself, because that really would have placed her at the crime scene.)
3. draw attention to the "perp's" DNA --- remember her going on about the shit in the toilet
It's quite possible that RHG was also involved in the assault, but he - unlike AK - has no motive for the murder. Moreover he has no weapon, because LE have stated from the outset that the stabs were caused by a knife (or knives). Pinecone's "piece of glass" theory is so outrageously nonsensical that it sounds to me like something out of Alice in Wonderland or Harry Potter. Also almost beyond belief is Pinecone's cute idea that MK was assaulted by a single perp. The chances that a perp, acting without accomplices, could have forced MK into oral sex while simultaneously inflicting knife wounds are very small in my view - and this is backed up by the professional literature.
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Please bear with me for my points.
1) She made a statement to LE, obviously under great interrogation stress (in US it would be unacceptable in court) that she was there in person in the kitchen and heard screams, PL, etc. She later recanted this statement and claimed it was made under duress. Such statements are weak as evidence of guilt.
2) There is supposedly a CCTV video of her entering the house at exactly 20:38 pm. If that video exists? OK, assume it does. It is hard evidence she entered the house at that time. Where then is the same camera when she exits the house, at what ever time, 23:30, 01:30, or 02:30 the morning of the 02 Nov, or even 21:00 on the 1st just before MK arrives shortly after 21:00?? So this becomes week evidence along with why no CCTV image of an RG or other perp leaving the premise at 22:30. Just eye witnesses, notoriously weak in these kind of cases.
2a) So being circumstantial, without further camera evidence, as her attorney I weave a scenario for the court. Yes AK met RG at the basketball court at 20:30 on the 1st to buy some hashish. The transaction was completed and she went on to her house at 20:38 to get something else to take back with her to RK's. RG followed her surreptitiously. AK enters house. leaving door ajar since she is just going back out and RG sneaks in to rob the place hiding in Filomena's bathroom ( right close to the entrance) or room until AK leaves. After she leaves RG ransacks Filomena's room and then hears MK come in. Or even they complete the deal at the house instead of the bb court and both leave. (a reason for AK to stay quiet). RG hangs around and sees MK (an extremely attractive woman) arriving at the house and forces himself upon her and into the house. Take your pick. The rest is tragic history.
3) A drop of AK's blood is found on the bathroom sink that AK and MK share. So what? That is circumstantial only. The blood could have been left there earlier in the day, even when RS, AK and MK were all still at the house. She could have had a bloody nose and just not wiped it up. It was her shared bathroom.
4) AK's room was clean of all finger prints and traces of DNA. Appears even to have been cleaned with bleach. Attorney: Yes she cleaned it earlier that day. She hadn't been using it except to come and go since she was sleeping and staying at RK's every day/night for the past two weeks. But she decided to make it presentable for everyone anyway, having time to give it attention that holiday after hard partying the Halloween eve before.
4a) Again totally circumstantial and not hard proof of her presence at the time of the murder.
4b) I cannot buy into the idea that there was any cleanup by AK, AK & RS or anyone. If AK & RS were cleaning up why did they leave specs of blood in the bathroom sink (not the feces bathroom) and the blood diluted by water on the floor or rug. Rather stupid for people smart enough to manipulate a crime scene of their own presence, etc. More likely a panicked and careless killer was cleaning himself up before getting out of there. And who says AK washed MK's clothes. Maybe MK washed her own and just left them in the washer. See previous posts on this conjecture. We do have enough info on this item of the washing machine.
5) Her behavior as described by the press, quoting friends and acquaintances at the police station isn't even evidence let alone circumstantial evidence. It wouldn't stand a chance in court. All it is is inappropriate (if some wish to call it guilty type behavior, so be it) behavior for someone who was a roommate and supposed friend of the victim to most of us. If the court allowed such testimony as these descriptions of her behavior, an attorney would find counter testimony as to that her behavior was a result of her own shock and incomprehension as to what had happened to her roommate;
Now I am sure you are going to go "that is nonsensical" and that is fine, you are as entitled to your opinion as I or any one else. I am just trying to point out a counter viewpoint that the evidence against her is weak from a legal and hard forensic standpoint, say as compared to the evidence against RG.
6) Finally I will throw in the cell phones of RS and AK go off at the same time (I remember that time as 21:00, I wish someone would reverify it, but I think Xin's timeline is 20:45. Either way how do the LE know they were turned off. The phones very well may have been placed together say next to RS's computer while they were at RS's house and electronic interference kept them from either broadcasting a signal (ping) or receiving a call or text msg because they were out of range.
6a) Even PL said you couldn't place a cell call from his bar because the interference was too great. You had to go outside to place it. Once I heard that from him I was even more assured of his innocence because it meant to me that one wouldn't have to stroll very far from his own Le Chic before the next close tower (one near AK & MK house would also pick up the signal. Multiple towers must pick up a cell's location, otherwise there would never be a smooth hand-off off a call without it being dropped (early days of cell technology).
So obviously I am out of breath and this is very long, but it is my case for the defense of AK unless, and it is a very big UNLESS, the investigating prosecutor or judge publicly states more solid evidence against her and not just conjectured theories based on this circumstantial evidence. They may have more to tell us yet. I will wait for it.
The same goes for RK who's only solid evidence is the shoe print. One piece of evidence does not not make a guilty verdict unless that evidence is a signed confession. I rest my case for leaning strongly in the Pinecone theory box as of now.
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coyotewaits1) She made a statement to LE, obviously under great interrogation stress (in US it would be unacceptable in court) that she was there in person in the kitchen and heard screams, PL, etc. She later recanted this statement and claimed it was made under duress. Such statements are weak as evidence of guilt.
True, but she has had plenty of R&R since.
Yet, her memory still fails her. Both she and RS have exactly the same gaps in memory from that night. Yet, they remember alot of similar details.
That to me is suspicious.
This I feel ties in with the whole free press thing. I personally think it's a good thing that her failure to remember and her statement being almost an exact negative of RS statement is in the public domain.
Perhaps a lot of things that have come out in the press, well perhaps it would not have been able to be used in court, just because of rules.
Like I said, I don't think she can rely on that 'stressful' interview forever.
Even if it's not used in a trial, she's still not been able to get her story straight.
The free press thing can be really useful. I personally think some journo should investigate if AK really did organise an april fools assault on a fellow UW student. I think though, that if it does exist, even if charges were brought (which I doubt), it couldn't be used in a court of law. espcially since, it's one persons word against the other (I can't see the fellow pranksters of AK confirming anything). it's probably just rumour anyway.
Like in England a jury couldn't hear of a suspects past convictions for rape, or pedophilia, or any accusations anyway. until after the trial.
Alot of stuff about Huntley (Soham murders) and the guy in the Payne thing, came out in the press or in the public domain only AFTER their trial(s).
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and in the US, in some states at least, she'd face the Death Penalty or a heftier jail stretch...
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Yet, her memory still fails her. Both she and RS have exactly the same gaps in memory from that night. Yet, they remember alot of similar details.
That to me is suspicious.
Without a doubt that and many other of both AK and RS statements are suspicious. And I believe they are being held on those very suspicious statements in addition to the circimstantial evidence. Even in the USA a person can be tried and found guilty on circumstantial evidence only but it usually has to be the "beyond a reasonable doubt" type "c" evidence. I think so far there is plenty of reasonable doubt evidence against both AK and RS and not much beyond a reasonable doubt evidence.
That said, I have to make a distinction again between Criminal Code Prosecution in the USA and what it may be in Italy and hope our Italian posters can continue to advise us. In the USA these people would probably be out on bail; RG probably would not be. Furthermore they wouldn't even face bail proceedings without being arrested first. So they can say anything they want at anytime before arrest and it could never be used against them (with some exceptions under probable cause such as wire tapping, an informant testimony, etc.) But once arrested they now have Miranda rights and anything they say can be used against them.
In Italy. I have no idea. They can be detained while not yet arrested. Are prosecutors allowed to use their pre arrest diaries as evidence; use their interrogation statements as evidence; etc., when they are finally brought to trial after arrest? I have no idea? Wish I did. This will make a very big difference to whether they can be found guilty or not in a "fair" trial.
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Yet, her memory still fails her. Both she and RS have exactly the same gaps in memory from that night.
See my posts below about heavy binge hashish use and alcohol use below.
http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t... and http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t...
no joking intended this time. I don't know. Everyone here seems to remember smoking weed and never having any short term memory loss. To the contrary my long ago experience I recall that short term memory loss was a classic symptom of hashish smoking.
I do not wish to embarrass anyone here, but did anyone else have that experience. Maybe marijuana was different and had higher levels of THC in my day (Mexican & LA varieties). Besides hashish often was different then and came in cake form mixed with some opium. Is that still true today in Europe?
Just asking? Everyone seems to find AK and RS memory loss convenient rather than possibly real. Again, if I was a defense attorney I would have lots of pharmacologists and psychologists expert witnesses on the stand if prosecutors chose to go down this avenue as evidence of wrong doing and covering up.
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It would not be so suspicious if they didn't remember all the same tings and have identical gaps. sorry. it's 'too constructed'.
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I smoked hash one time, a long time ago. I was in a country that seems to have legalized all drugs. I think I did it only because I wanted to know why it's not legal in most places.
I knew right away it was not something I'd be doing again. I hated the feeling of not being able to focus and remember from one minute to the next what had happened or been said. Time crawled. Minutes seemed like hours. I thought that day would never end, and then I felt tired and dopey for days afterwards.
I can believe Amanda's story.
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After reading some of the lies, distortions and inaccuracies about this case in the British press, I can understand why the courts there lock down press coverage of local criminal cases.
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100% agree with you there.
If RHG used a piece of glass as a single perp, which I find illogical, then he'd have more hand injuries from handling that glass shard than just one slash.
Unfortunately for pinecone, the fact that RHG has only one slash on his hand is the one key thing that does indeed support the fact that it was a defensive wound.
Admittedly, he could have done it himself with a knife or on glass. BUT the fact is his hands would have more than just one gash if he used a shard of glass (IMHO) he would have been cut while plunging it, and cut again when removing it from the neck. His fingers would have cuts on them from gripping it too. Infact, if a shard of glass was the murder weapon, his hand would be cut to ribbons. IMHO anyway.
It doesn't mean he didn't have a knife, it's just VERY strange that he should have accidentally 'slashed' his hand with it, yet not his fingers. I mean, even if he picked up a knife in the wrong way, why are his fingers not slashed?
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If Meredith grabbed the small blade, could this be what necessitated the use of a larger weapon by her oppressor/s?
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Yes, definitely, but what it can't be is a shard of glass as the murder weapon IMHO :)
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In US, even in the smallest police departments, there is a 10 code (which I forget though I did work as an RO at a police department) which says to the dispatcher that "I have arrived on scene in answer to a complaint". Do not know if they where doing that in Perugia or if they estimated their arrival time after they realized there was a crime...since they were returning the cell phones (essentially a lost and found and a possible harrassment call) it may be the time they met the lady with the cell phones for all we know.
10-23
I looked it up..
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Yes, there was definitely a two door wardrobe in the picture, like an armourie (sp). That is clear from room photographs
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which means he wasn't even printed from his last arrest?
I think there is mis-information out there. Maybe they just knew who he was from AKs phone(s), and once caught in Germany, it took so long to extradite him, because they were running the forensics.
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Wierd pinecone--I just saw your post now in the "flat" format which you made 22 minutes ago. I did not see that before.
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Maybe that's why they expected it on her legs? It didn't run down the loose jeans cos she was bent over.
She had her 'loose' pants on fully or partially because her jeans soaked the blood off the floor?
the floor was tiled?
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The arrows let you "rate" the post (as you will see from the tool-tip if you hover over them). These ratings only matter if you choose to sort by "Hot" or "Best".
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I can't make sense of all the different folks that are alleged to have been at the crime scene. Who was actually there, and who killed Meredith? It seems so confusing. I am sure it will be harder to sort out with people that keep changing their stories. I feel horrible for Meredith's family.
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"yes, I think she'll get away with her crime. RHG, what is he getting out of protecting her though? He could well land her in it. He's already admitted to being there.
ah, maybe she is innocent after all."
This always bothered me also Loz. Given in the back of my mind I have never been able to quite shake off as you say, that someway, somehow AK and RS were involved.
But as you say, with all the evidence they have on RG (and his lawyers have to know it and perhaps more) why is he not naming AK and/or AK & RS. It's baffling. The only thing I have been able to shake loose from my feeble neurons is that he isn't naming them because 1) they really weren't there "when he was" or 2) if he outs them, he knows they will just out him back and say together (2 against 1) yes, RG killed MK while we were smokin' and lovin' in another room.
If number 2) is close to the truth it explains why the three of them maintain a conspiracy to not tattle on one-another. They have everything to lose and certainly nothing to gain.
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Ha! I always wanted to be like Steve McGarrett. When he spins around on the highrise balcony in the title sequence of Hawaii 5-0, just after the hula dancers hips just about knock you out of your arm chair.
No, I'm just your average frog.
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gee then seattleite had it right. The LE is referring to hearsay testimony from friends. Oh gawd, I've got to go wash my car in the winter snow. bye!
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another thought concerning AK and RS guilt/cleanup or no... it seems suspicious to me that RS would have paid such attention to the mop, noticing Meredith's jeans etc. in his journal if he were oh-so-innocent. People keep saying that lies are told with truth interjected. If he had nothing whatsoever to do with this, then why would these details have made it into his account while he makes such a big deal about not being able to remember anything else?
AK as well, with her "I have no idea what I did that night, but ONE thing I'm sure of is that RS had blood on his hand at 11:30pm" Why was this detail included in her otherwise foggy account?
One more thing, apparently no one wants to admit to smoking marijuana or hashish apart from "that one time... soooo many years ago" so I'll go ahead with it. OK, I DO! I started back in high school (the schwag from "The Avenue" before upgrading to "the kind") Here in Italy you don't find the NoCal green bud, but hash is abundantly available from pretty much any park, grocery store (outside, not at the cashier ((unless they're a friend?))) bar or restaurant.
sidebar- When I first arrived in Italy in 09/06 I was traveling alone on a months holiday, my friend couldn't save the money so I flew solo, and I made a casual reference to my waiter at the bar where I was having dinner the first evening after arriving. We'd been flirting, I'd had a few glasses of wine... a few hours later after he'd closed shop we were sharing a joint, (hash with tobacco) 15 months later, we're living together planning our wedding. We smoke a joint together in the evenings, no biggie. Certainly, it's not something we will continue to do when we begin to plan our future family.
That said, my memory is EXCELLENT. I remember what I eat, conversations, can recite commercials after 2or 3 viewings not to mention entire scripts for movies and plays. Ok, don't ask me where my keys/sunglasses are... but that's it. I am pretty sure AK was a veteran potheaed, finding the migration from West Coast green to hash hardly phasing, and I seriously doubt she had a pinecone experience on Nov 1.
The last thing I want to say is about this new page. I really liked how with haloscan, when people posted links they would open up in new tab. <was this the case for everyone, or something to do with my computer? Please come back squiggle :( Here, if I try to open a link it redirects the page and I have to scroll around looking for my place upon return. I prefer the old way. That said, I love my little 'faith' pic ;)
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So, the shoe print doesn't fit most likely. Not surprised.
hearsay about Amanda talking about the crime scene. Hmmm doubt that.
Love your story Belle, it is beautiful, congratulations!
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I hope you find this and that i am not messing everything up and that i am not construed as a big fan of disCUSS. (hi daniel)
now, raise your hand if you've had your bank accts closed by HomeSic on accout of no record (they could find, haha) of an earth addy for me.
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belong to the pay-us-DB sites. But with THAT hint, I just might be able. Don't forget, we all leave asides about ourselves, scattered throughout these Steve-site posts.
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Love your Italian love story...have to admit I was curious how you ended up in Milan.
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This doesn't make sense at all. AK saw the body was present when the police broke down the door, so she would have details about the body to discuss with friends or MK. This reportage by Italian press is abominable. If it was good journalism they would be reporting the actual details, questions and her answers of the interrogation on 02 Nov. But they don't. Yet the questions and answers must have been iterated to AK at this hearing as they pressed her for answers to their implied inconsistencies. This is just coercive interrogation, these hearings, obviously still trying to coerce a confession of some sorts from each suspect. I wouldn't answer a damn question either. Under the Italian system a suspect has no rights, obviously, when they can be jailed without arrest.
I hope both RS and AK and RS just stick to their guns and remain silent. Not because I think they are innocent or guilty, but because they need to force the authorities to take them to arrest and trial. Yeh, I think I know why Italy has their detain before arrest system. It is a holdover from Vatican medieval days of forcing confessions from anyone because they couldn't really solve the crime anyway. I now completely reaffirm my position with Pinecone's theory that AK and RS are innocent of the murder, possibly bought drugs from RG just prior to the murder, because (my position) the LE just does not have the hard forensic evidence to place them at the crime scene like thay do Rudy. They are fishing for a confession and an entrapment by statement because of this. And we probably will not see a trial until a year from this past November 1 because LE is hoping a year in prison as a non-indicted suspect will break them. As I noted, using the archaic methods of Vatican police tactics.
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It’s on again tonight at 11:00 PM New York time. If you have a tivo and /or access to Fox News (channel 205 on Dish Network), it comes on about 5 min. into the segment.
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We know that AK was capable of flying into rages herself and I think Mk's fury would ignite a similar fury in AK.
I dont believe that AK and Rudy on their own would commit murder--but i still believe someone else, perhaps Rudy's suppliere showed up, and I believe he was more ruthless. All theoretical opinion, mind you...
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Bear in mind that Rudy tore Meredith's bra off after she'd been stabbed. Do you think the ruthless supplier killed her so Rudy could have his way with her? The "real killer' had just stabbed Rudy in the palm, yet Rudy took time to strip and sexually assault a dying woman?
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http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_...
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Did I miss the discussion of it in the posts? There are a lot of pages :(
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also, if you would be so kind, who were the two people seen running in opposite directions at 10:30 pm.
And, if I am right, there was something heard at 2am. Who was heard at 2am?
--Il Messaggero reported yesterday that an unnamed woman professor had told police that she heard a “terrifying scream” as she passed the cottage at 2am. This would appear to be at odds with the official time of death, which pathologists originally put at between midnight and 2am but then moved back to between 10pm and midnight.
The paper said that a female student who lives near the murder scene had testified that she heard “strange noises” from the cottage garden at 1am, while another had said that a “coloured man” rushed past her from the direction of the cottage at 10.30pm.--
but for that mushroom.
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Sorry if that came across as testy. I was writing in Dragnet mode.
Imagine a little smiley face. I do not know how to make those..
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You know that my theory is different than that of yours and Pinecone's. But I am not certain about anything in this case. You and Pinecone, even cw, seem so sure--I just want to hear your take on some of these issues.
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Everybody (!) turning off their phones in synch is one of the big, big mysteries, along with the role of the giallo couple.
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I'd love to know about fingerprints on those tossed cell phones.
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I always thought it was slightly odd to mention glass: there must be a reason?
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I've heard the weapon had a serated edge, I've also heard it was a 'punture' wound. Heard loads. Have to wait and see.
But, why isn't RHGs hand cut to ribbons?
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So break a window from the inside then use a shard of glass as a weapon?........
I can see your point about RHG's hand. It all seems unlikely, but glass was mentioned right from the off.
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Maybe there is glass in the wound.
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Maybe for the same reason the victim's throat was not slashed.
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Maybe for the same reason the victim's throat was not slashed.
==You've lost me pinecone. If he was handling a shard of glass, he'd have more than one gash right?
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I guess we'll find out some day.
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well, the most likley explanation apart from if he was let into the house, is that if he is solely guilty, then he broke the window to get in.
However, unless he stalks & knows all the people in that house, maybe the lights were off?
It's just incredibly "brave" of him to break into a house that could have had a lot of people in it, and to do so early at night, rather than say 3am when it's more likely people would be asleep.
but not impossible.
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Which parts are a pain? I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
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1) When you hover over the icon and select permalink to post in your post or reply, it includes the view configuration of the of the poster of the link (you are currently set to oldest & flat). After you post that link, the reader launching it has there browser reset to that configuration. No problem if you launch in a new tab but then if you forget to go back to your original tab or fail to back one page in your browser you are no longer in your own configuration.
2) see next post.
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I wrote a little about forum view vs. blog view here. The difference is that the view setting sticks in the blog view at the moment. It's up to the site-owner to set the flat/threaded setting, but we'll have this a user preference very soon.
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Also Steve here allows either the threaded or flat view so that is not an issue. My other points, please? Points, there is that word again. My other issues? Please comment, thanks.
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I understand your other point. We'll take a closer look at this. Thanks for bringing it up.
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we need a date/time stamp
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I wrote about date/time stamps here.
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As discussed below by Squiggle and coyotewaits, it will be most useful to all of us IF we use a Hard Time Stamp, rather than the Relative one. I think we are agreed on that and now many of us can tell others how to access that function.
However, just WHICH Time Zone? We could go:
(I) Perugia time
(II) Greenwich MT, which might also be Perugia time
(III) Eastern US standard Time which is STEVE-TIME as he's in Atlanta
(IV) Central US ST (pinecone & coyotewaits I think)
(V) Pacific Time (xin)
I'd vote for either PERUGIA-TIME or STEVE-TIME, and Steve-Time over P-Time as its my time.
So whomever reads this post, please use the reply function to VOTE during the day & direct others here to vote also. Let's see what total we've got late today or tomorrow
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"The grammatical rules governing the use of who and whom in formal writing apply equally to whoever and whomever and are similarly often ignored in speech and informal writing.
As I will put up with jargon growing out of professional usage, such as in software engineering, I will also put up with the variety of ways people use words here. If usage obfuscates meaning, I'll ask for clarification. And I am always prepared to be corrected as then I learn something directly.. Thanks for the note on the correct usage of "jurisprudence".
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You don't need to quote a timestamp when responding to a link. Use the 'reply' link below the article you are replying to. If you want to create a permanent link to the post you are referring to, follow my instructions at http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t...
It would be madness to try to get everyone to change their profiles to a foreign time zone. For a start, any new arrivals would be completely lost. Use links. That's what the whole brilliance of the hypertext idea was about. Use the 'reply' link - that automatically creates very important links for you.
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But Squiggle clarified the no need by pointing out the little menu beneath our icons. "just hover" lol.
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If you can't get the dashboard timestamp to function, Pinecone, then it must be a Master Setting Steve has to turn on. In fact, working with this laptop, I don't even have a "dashbaord", and all the stuff that was over on the right is now all at the bottom of the posts--except for the dashboard which isn't anywheres.
STEVE!! Turn on the time stamp function. Please. Thank you.
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Thanks Fran for translation.-Skype call. This is evidence and the transcript is a document
My question is who is the leaker of this (which if not a "recreation") certainly sounds like a real call.
Who would have a copy.
The "friend" may have a copy if his computer was used as the client for the skype call. This is his lotto ticket to this case which others have already cashed: The Albanian--if he really exists--with his steamy sex fling with Amanda; the shopkeeper with the lingerie comment and video (cha-ching); PL reported as 70,000 euros for his "why Amanda hates me interview".
The police: But I can't see how this would help them.
The defense: They may certainly have been given a copy according to my reading of the (CCP )Italian Code Criminal Procedure and this could help them. But wouldn't they be held in the Italian version of contempt of court if they leaked this?
But since everything which has appeared in the papers which might be evidence in the case possible future testimony of suspects etc.-- and which didn't come from the judge or prosecutors-- has had a price tag on it...I am going to say "the friend".
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You are aware? that we now have a "seattle mom" as well as a "seattleite".
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I have no problem with that, as I don't want to make a large post in a reply (though I see that I just have). But we are going to have to let each new poster know this as Steve's head-notes are rather biased in favor of the reply format.
So, is this waht we are saying?
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He says he had some sexual contact with meredith, they had oral sex, but not a complete sexual relationship because they didn't have a condom
He says that when the bell rang he was in the bathroom and thought they were the guys living in the other apartment; the murderer had light brown hair (so at the time he thought about M's boyfriend)
He says the spainsh guys house at the Haloween party can confirm he was there
He says that when meredith found out about the missing money she said she had had an argument with Amanda the day before
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I have been flitting between the flat & threaded format. I always have posts sorted by newest.
I find the easiest way to look and see replies to my post is to look at my own profile (click on your name). It has all your posts there, and the replies to it. Just click 'replies'.
I think a good tip is to upload a distinctintive/personal pic from your PC into your profile, as a way of zoning in on your posts on this page.
Hope this helps,:)
ps: with the edit button I have no excuse for typos, spelling mistakes, or making too many posts!
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Anyway, in the other thread I think it was Fran, said there may be a CCTV image of one of the people who fled the cottage, and RG's lawyers say it's not him. If this is true, it can open things up.
Buona notte.
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Either her clothes were on and the vaginal swab DNA is false or her clothes were off and the DNA is real. Either scenario makes more sense to me than someone stripping the body of clothes and faking a sex act by placing DNA? on her genitals all the while blood is all over the floor.
Lastly, if one was stabbed in the neck while on their knees and pulled back and upright wouldn't it be most likely that blood would flow (gush) downwards on to the shoulder, chest, back, hip and thighs/buttocks and onto either jeans? or bare legs? Why was there no mention of blood being found on her jeans or legs? However, if she was lying prone on her back on the floor, with her head compressed down on a pillow and twisted forcefully to the side to expose her neck to a threatening knife and then struck....blood would pool around her neck, shoulder, head and the pillow and floor, not coming even close to her legs. But as always, your opinion is as good as mine.
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Yes, and that's just a scenario I can believe based on Rudy's story. The main problem with it for me is, where is Amanda? The judges propose that Rudy was really there to meet Amanda to collect money she owed him. See story here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/eur...
I can believe this too, if I shift some opinions, and it's closer to what I used to believe. But I guess I am having a hard time seeing Rudy as that kind of a devil, one who would kill, and one Amanda and Raf would be afraid of. They all seem in way over their heads. This thing is bigger than anything they could do on their own. That's just my feeling. It could change.
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That is also the theory I now assume. AK was there to meet RG. But whether at the bb court or house. But I think prosecutors are theorizing about the stolen money, etc. It just gets very vague now. Did AK help Rudy to assault MK, did MK return to find AK paying RG off with her stolen money, etc., etc. Does go too far for my speculating brain now, until I hear more. Hopefully from RG's lips. I do think RG is the killer. If not why not name the killer. If the evidence against him so far is actual and fact, then he is all but convicted. He has no out. It baffles me the approach he and his lawyers are taking. But that may be the way to handle it with the Italian jurisprudence system, which I have no real understanding of.
What I discount almost entirely is that there is some other mysterious "everbodies afraid of" killer. And if and how, is RS involved? Waiting, that's all. I am just waiting.
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Yeah, that's why I don't trust this DNA evidence. Ånd yes, that she was dressed was speculation based on what they saw at the crime scene. I'm choosing to believe this at this time.
And I know where DNA could come from during sex. What I was asking in that other post was do we know where that particular DNA actually comes from. I don't think we know. But it could be important. And the other possibility is contamination in the lab. DNA evidence is proof of the presence of cells from a person. It doesn't always tell us how it got on that particular swab. We have to trust. In this case I don't trust. If later it is reported that her legs were covered in blood, meaning she was unclothed when killed, I will change my mind.
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They had PL locked up at the time, maybe while they sorted the DNA out.
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Contamination is certainly a possibility with DNA comparative analysis, would depend on the lab and technicians experience.
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Go Here:
http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t...
set this as your bookmark...click NEWEST under Sort Posts By...click Flat under View Posts
It is now just like Haloscan.
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Steve, Steve, Steve: when you get the urge to just re-arrange the furniture (unless there's a real financial savings in doing so), PLEASE JUST SAY NO. If those 4 short words can have such a great impact on the War On Drugs, think of what they can do for us commenters.
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And Sparrow is right, RS could well be referring to AK helping RHG? Or maybe he's giving a reason why they left RHGs evidence all over the crime scene, and saying how RHG in the end was too helpful to MK?
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How could anyone possibly cover for Rudy? He was there alone with Meredith.
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And I have to figure out better how this format works.
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http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblo...
Thanks, see you there.
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I can't help but wonder if the Solecito money have helped to degrade this key piece of evidence. I know that may seem far-fetched, but so does the notion that by allowing the shoeprint to degrade, the case against RS ( or whoever the print came from) is weakened....
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and butter knives: http://cookies.cookiesfromitaly.com/silverfromi...
AK did mention a meal of fish at rafes house, his hand had blood on it?
she knows more than she should then, if it is a fish knife, she was there & was involved!
to me though it looks like neither. it's massive. and if it was like a big master fish knife why is i not all 'silver' the handle is black. To me it looks like a bread knife or something. Unless it's a cheapo specialist fish-cookers knife. like what people who like to cook all different kinds of fish may have?
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http://www.mediafire.com/?4fxx2y2g5h9
Keep in mind that Amanda seems to have no wardrobe. The bathrooms aren't necessarily furnished correctly. Kitchen needs to be pushed back a meter.
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When I first viewed the video several times I thought it was a pan of room right to left. Instead I now realize it is a edit cut after filming the wall above the head of the bed at the blood on the wall then a pan to the ceiling wood truss support the a start to pan the wall and CUT. Then next scene is panning the window, radiator below the window (in center, not to the left of that wall) and then to wardrobe. Except for the window location being in the center, your drawing is exactly correct. Still wonder if there was a blood trail from in front of the wardrobe to byt the bed. But in this case she was only moved two feet. At this point I can see a struggling self move as well as the possibility she was moved there by some one else.
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But seems to me RS reported the toilet bowl as clean because he may have been referring to the bloodied bathroom nearest MKs room, while AK may have been talking about the big bathroom. But RHG wouldn't he know which one he pottied in? It means his story doesn't add up.
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A knife has been found in the bushes, but it's a dull, round kitchen knife which probably has nothing to do with the crime (item "D" in the video below). Also, outside, additional blood stained hankerchiefs / tissues have been found (item "C"). Also, there is video of the inside of the house.
I have to update the first houseplan. The photo of Amanda's room in the first PPT is Amanda's room, but clearly empty (it was strange for me that there are no books, etc.).
In the video, you can clearly see her things, her guitar, etc.
http://news.centrodiascolto.it/video/id=221605/...
Strange she seems to have no wardrobe / closet. Also detail of the small bathroom. There IS a bidet.
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look at the vid agan, the wardrobe has white/painted white doors, near the radiator. to me, don't know though it looks to be in the diagonally opposite corner to the bed. I will check your ppt to see how it compares.oh crud I deleted it. please have you got it again? sorry kermit :(
it doesn't look much like a butter knife to me.
thanks for the video it's great.
Unlike the CCTV, it's defo not a reconstruction of what the forensic officers found?
I don't wanna get into another ski-mask/car bumper fiasco!
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Second: Loz, keen eye. The wardrobe is in the opposite corner from the bed corner. The bed is adjacent (in the corner) to two walls, the long side of the bed to the wall with the radiator below the window. Adjacent to the wall space to the left of the radiator and window is one side of wardrobe which back is to the opposite wall from the head of the bed.
Thus when found on the floor covered by the duvet, her head would had been towards towards the night stand adjacent to the head of the bed (not shown) and her feet would have been towards the radiator/window direction with the wardrobe just to the left of her feet. Her right side would have been parallel to the open side of the bed. An easy position if she was on her knees facing the radiator to drag her backwards after a knife blow and drop her upper torso and head to the floor after only two to three feet of dragging.
I'm thinking forensic LE may have observed blood flow on the floor from in front of the wardrobe to the spot where her head & neck was dropped to the floor. Or she might herself tried to crawl back, I wouldn't speculate. But this makes sense if in fact she was killed in front of the wardrobe and then moved.
The question is, what is the blood pattern evidence. Again we don't know and police haven't told. Why. They don't want her lawyers to know so they can advise her interview answers to questions about her talking about MK being found next to the wardrobe.
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http://video.centrodiascolto.it/public/notizie/...
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Now, the little conspiracy theorist on my shoulder jumps out and asks, "why did RS's lawyers suggest a couple of weeks ago to go back to the underbrush under the cottage, to find "the real murder weapon"."
If knife "D" was there all along (even if it turns out to have nothing to do with the crime), some inspector should be fired.
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so, I disagree.
Yeah sure, the bushes should have been checked. bet it turns out RSs dad chuckd them there the other day & they turn out to be nowt. - ONLY JOKING :D
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You have to wonder if this could aid the defense. They can say that much of the evidence collecting was bungled and cannot be considered reliable...
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unfortunately maybe. BUT if the forensics they took / they did take at the time were sound?
Also, I had been following the mccann case and that brought up some interesting questions regarding the mccanns possibly disregarding forensics that are acceptible in the fresh Leslie Molseed & S.Lawrence case. well that's to do with dna i guess.
But all I am saying, is that yeah it's good to get to a crime scene fast. but what about forensics years after? I don't know :/
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but still, should have checked.
but like I said, csi do 2nd sweeps.
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well, the police would have said MK was found under a duvet (which she was) and those 'lazy' jornos jumped to the conclusion that she was found under her duvet on her bed.
so, her lawyers can't really use that.
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It seems that traces of blood were found on the broken window and a handkerchief near a railing that surrounds the road above
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Why do you think this article states MK was found on the bed, covered by a duvet when in fact we know from photographs of the crime scene that she was on the floor covered with a duvet? All I can think of is terrible journalism, thus I find myself not believing anything in such an article. What do you think?
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Translation errors (eg 'tampone'), piecemeal info from the police, defence and prosecution, not to mention remarkable literary flights on the part of the suspects, ain't helping. Any journalist will tell you that acres of newsprint about a case before a trial are not the best fields from which to glean the truth ;-) Which is a bit of a bugger for everyone here trying valiantly to make sense of all this...
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The threaded view is now posting replies oldest first.. That's great. Hey, disqus is responding. Or maybe Steve is, not knowing how many control options Steve has as owner.
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The dual browser mode doesn't work because the disqus software does not word wrap the browser window to fit its adjusted size.
But the dual mode works good enough to have just seen Steve's post. And I was just beginning to really appreciate this software, enough that I really hoped disqcus would continue to improve it and make it more user friendly and even add more feature.
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i like your commentary--that's what triggers thinking, revising, and fitting the pieces together.
on your comment about the noise of the perpetrators...i totally agree, and recall an early report (will find in my pile of 100 docs printed out for Dr. ForPsy) was that it was the sounds of *loud arguing* that came from the House of Horrors at 2 a.m. or so.
I feel like I am learning my way around Perugia a little bit.
Thanks so much for the mini-trip to Italy. Goes onto the blog, si?
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Sure Xin, I've no problem with any use of yours of the new PowerPoint. Keep in mind that I liberally used images from different sources, like any good user of Internet (a German tourist did the photo at the bottom of Raffaele's street, the University image is from a Japanese site, lots of composite images from Italian TV, etc.etc.), so it's not really me who you should ask.
Puzzler?? Are you out there? I hope you don't mind, I used your Fireflies quote from the old blog to open up the new PPT. It's great. We actually have a lot of information, some of it since near the beginning of this crime, and some of that quite important. Once in a while I reflect back in time and say "hey, what about those mobile phones" or "remember that image which shows how the house is almost buried (excuse the expression) into the hillside. Those are "fireflies". I'll take off your quote if you have any issues.
I like the new PPT because it gives you a spacial feel for the geographical relationship between these three characters. Actually, Frank at Perugia-Shock gave me the idea, as he mentioned that Raffaele and Rudy lived just meters apart, so I started to research it. Middie did a good summary map on the first blog, but it was so schematic that you didn't get a feel for what is a key feature of Perugia for me: the hillsides, slopes, stairways, ramps. That feature works its way into the events of Nov.1, and the immediate followup, as you see in the Powerpoint.
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And puzzler's line, so apt. I missed that 1st time through.
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The opponents of 42-day detention should take account of stories from Italy and Spain
"Yesterday, the day on which the former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer of Thoroton effectively killed the Government's 42-day detention plan, was also the 43rd day that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito spent in custody in Italy in connection with the Meredith Kercher case.
I mention Knox and Sollecito, neither of whom have been charged, because their situation casts some light on the way the debate on detention has been conducted in Britain. Readers may remember that Liberty recently released a report “carried out by lawyers and academics in 15 countries” claiming that Britain had, in effect, the most draconian detention laws in the Western world."
Interesting article in the Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...
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i just keep wondering, why on earth did he leave the toilet unflushed. then again, he left bits of himself all over that scene...
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Maybe he was upstairs when MK came in. he quickly left the toilet to assault her.
Or didn't flush to keep 'silent' so she wouldn't know he had been let into the house by RS/AK.
then, they/he ambushed her.
and forgot about the toilet...
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I think another explanation why Rudy didn’t flush, was he tried and the toilet jammed. Some of those water saving commodes can’t handle much. He didn’t want to take the time to find a plunger.
I think he was also very edgy, and anything could cause him to panic & run for cover.
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Unless they were with her in her room, or she knew they were in the kitchen & didn't have time to potty, and why not use the bathroom closer to the kitchen?
More likely he waited in that toilet, heard MK, and abandoned potty in a hurry to attack her.
I also think, wonderful as they are, peoples timelines regarding the mushroom snack are wrong.
i think she snacked JUST before being attacked. Maybe not a few minutes, maybe 5/10. But not JUST AFTER 9pm/9.15.
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Yes. All translations are very much appreciated.
I keep a list of useful phrases to use on my next trip (spring i hope)
here's one middie taught us:
"belle,
canna=joint
spinello=little joint
ciao
Middie"
world peace through slang
(you saw my reply to your post, yeah?)
there should be points-a-plenty piling up on this one
1 year ago
Maybe evidence is true, maybe it is not, maybe it is false and leaked. What we really all know now is that we shouldn't be able to trust anything we have been reading in the press, except perhaps the names of the principle prosecutor and the investigating judge and that they have the power to detain the suspects. For me at least, all bets are off as to who is guilty of what? But speculate away. Who be it me to try to counter any evidence reported in the press over the last 47 days and used in the press or here to build a case scenario. It would seem at this point anyone could pick and choose their evidence and build their case. Everyone's POV is valid and logical. I know I suffer from impatience and a need to know. So the results of todays hearing, as we heard it reported just frustrated me all the more, I guess. You are just going to have wait coyotewait[s].
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and ok, it's true, we can't build a scenario from such poor morsels
But I still stand by ALL my thoughts on their (RS&AKS) leaked statements & diaries etc etc.
and her (not literally) f-ing with the prison chaplin & nun.
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http://tinyurl.com/2xonj9
This interesting bit appears at the end of the article:
(excerpt follows)
The police in Perugia are carrying out a further search at the scene of the crime and intend to take more photographs of a bloody shoe print found at the scene. So far, the police have been unable to match the shoe with any of the current suspects.
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Thanks xin. I keep saying the LE doesn't have the hard evidence to put AK and RS at the cs. They are fishing based on their own theories of what happen, probably only slightly better than our own here since they know which of the evidence they leaked is really false. OK, not the shoe that fit (RS), doesn't fit, "ya got to acquit". The cctv pics, where are they? The hair in MK's hand, where is it? The witnesses, just maybe people who want to be involved, not real witnesses, still coming out of the wood work. The knife with MK DNA on the tip? Dr. Henry Lee and O.J. defense team to the attack of credibility of DNA sample? This will go on for ever?
But now hearing that the shoe that fit no longer fits. One is left with only three possible conclusion. LE is incompetent, LE and judges are corrupt and totally political to crass public needs, or LE has no solid evidence and keep fishing for confessions so they can support their own speculations. It happens frequently enough in crimes here in the USA as so many here continually point out.
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XIN despite thinking her guilty, you can see that Amanda really needs the Alioto woman as lawyer/mother hen. Put a phone call in. Especially as I don't see hie nor hair of Amanda's Dad in any paper references.
You know, this could be the FIRST Trans-Atlantic Court-TV production!!!
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So far, the police have been unable to match the shoe with any of the current suspects.
Speechless.
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For "dialogue" & "discussion", I would prefer a total flat format system with BOTH absolute time-stamps and an automatic sequential numbering system. I wouldn't then have to use html link stuff that I can do but which seems a bother to me in the typing process. I could just say "LOZ says in post #nnn that..."
Also, all posts would appear Left Justified, a fine thing in itself, without any of this nesting which could, in the course of replying to a particularly interesting main post, get so replied to that it practically gets Right Justified, scrunched over to the Right as one word per line thing scrolling down the page. I point THAT out because, in effect, ALL of our posts/replies are REPLIES to the Main Theme: Meredith Kercher's death in Perugia by Person(s) Perhpas Unknown.
However, Flat/Threaded is certainly working for me today, and I have made several Replies to what I term "posts above" as my way of catching up with previous comments. I have endeavored to keep them post-specific, such as to translation issues around today's AK judicial interrogation in La Repubblica/The Republic (fem.) Nonetheless, such a post raises general or main post issues.
I guess I'm recommending checking back several hours to see what might be NEWLY reply/nested, scrolling downard (or upward--your preference). That's my angle. One could of course do a resort for all New posts. Whatever.
OK. Having said the above, this is the LAST time I'm going to say anything about this format. Unless, of course, the founders/developers starting making changes to functionality in the eBay Way, which is, just because we can and we want to, so there.
So, any more links to write-ups on Today's Dramatic Court News?
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http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=...
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Pretty neat, actually. It sponsors camaraderie!
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I was on the blog almost all day yesterday, even when daniel ha came on and accepted criticism and comments on the disqus system. You are correct that there were many, many comments about the point system, especially when daniel said it was not broken and that it was entire dependent upon the poster (he did not explain it in detail has you did) but most of those comments were really in jest, as you see some now still are. My point here though is no one, and I emphasize "no one" said they were leaving because they had negative points or felt uncomfortable with the point system. Those who said they were fed up with it left mostly because they could "not" find previous posts they wished to link too and spent endless minutes trying to find parent links. They didn't understand squiggles explanation of the drop down menu from icon, and that there was no notice that new replies were being posted to old parent posts that they would never see in the threaded view. It really is frustrating compared to the fixed time stamp and linearity of the Haloscan system. Yes disqus system has more features, more personalized control, but it lacks simplicity in cross post references that is acute to blog subjects of this intensity.
P.S. And those who left, I know they will be back. They were some of the post active and positive contributors here.
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So I support that the criticism herewithin since this format started is honest, legitimate and warranted. My case.
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Welcome to this side. My first advice is to make sure you're at this version: http://truecrimeweblog.disqus.com/open_thread_t...
Then, click on my icon (at top left of this post), and read the various things nutted out yesterday on using this thing effectively - or, once at the non-paginated version, select your view and sort preferences and scroll though yesterday's posts.
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I will scold you, you selfish person!
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Now you said we should use the reply function.
I am really confused, what should we do?
Then I posted a reply to xin about cctv, and you went off on one. I apologised, but nothing...
what am i supposed to do?
1 year ago
Whoever this is: grow up.
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What a petty, bitchy place these "points" have made it here.
I don't think I'll be back.
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ps: i tried to deduct a point from your rude replies, there were no arrows by these. so instead I went to some of your other posts. I think it's fair, as i had just went around the last two days just 'upping' people's points. Why not? It's not like you're in negatives or can't gain them back.
I admit, I may have gone 'overboard'
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Stick around. Remember you are always "ahead of the game" given your Oz location.
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If RG was meeting someone at the house, it was AK, not M.
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((this board has now eaten one of my posts, and i can't remember the content, because I am so distracted by the arcane workings of this place...NOT HASH. But the medium is the massage, and the topic here is now ABOUT DIS.cuss which i find very irritating and i know i am a force in it, and i am sorry. I think I'll go read jung until there is evidence that belle, soozie, and others have wandered the desert to wherever the hell we now find ourselves PLUS DANIEL HA if you are here--we need a little lightbulb when there are new posts. see haloscan ;) ))
1 year ago
In Jung/Hollis' terms, one dynamic that was going on was that AMANDA was letting her animus Shadow issues flourish, whereas RAFE was letting his anima Shadow issues flourish in direct response to Amanda. The visual Jung always favored to express this was the yin-yang circle. But JUNG's POINT would be that as both were UNBALANCED people (AK=High Animus/Low Anina & Rafe vice versa), TOGETHER THEY COMPLETED EACH OTHER, which is why it felt so good for both to be together so much on the days after the murder & why Jung would not be surprised by the lingerie shopping on Saturday.
The other thing I like about Jung/Hollis is that the position is that your Shadow issues will come & get you if you are not paying attention, but despite their unconscious nature, they are part of you and you are responsible for otucomes those issues cause. No Free Pass. (<--- which is the short-short-hand answer to the book's title question.)
1 year ago
Was there a scream at 2 am, or was it arguing at 2 am that was heard?
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So, noises were heard, in and around the house, at 1 am
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are you aware of any investigation about who this woman is and where she has gone?
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I don't know whether or not she is a/the murderer, but I'm guessing that if she'd stayed at home in Seattle, MK would be alive. At the very least I think her lifestyle started the chain of events that led to MK's murder....To paraphrase RS , " If MK was murdered, it is above all the fault of AK..".
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Let's visit the big fountain
(hard to find webcams that work. early days of tech!)
http://viaggi.globopix.net/webcam/webcam-perugi...
and to plan our visit:
http://www.perugiaonline.com/meteopgus.html
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As an excuse for her not speaking at this latest hearing?
It's all rather short-term though?
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http://tinyurl.com/2zn3q5
click to cam, city stills
site sponsored by city of Perugia, sister city to Seattle (rue the day)
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also it would be fun to find one at le chic
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Perugia/Seattle connection is well known here and has led to very strong cultural and even business associations between the cities. In fact my favorite coffee (and widely bought and liked here) was created by a man from Perugia, who came to Seattle and founded Torrefazione coffee and cafes. He sold the business after it became very beloved and now resides in Perugia.
People will not argue much about sports, finance or weather but get them started about the best coffee and the claws come out. I am drinking Torrefazione Sardegna now.
He sold the company to "guess who" a few years ago but has opened a new venture Cafe Umbria in Portland to much fanfare.
Sorry Amanda is an idiot but is she a murderer?
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what do you make of the call that AK placed to RG just after MK's body was discovered?
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Eager to see any and all "real" CCTV but I will not be surprised to not find Rudy leaving. I think he went down the hill and into the trees and past a direct line to his house and back up into populated area (dropping the phones he decided he didn't really want or need in the garden) and back towards his house coming NOT from the direction of the crime. Google map or Windows live thingy map will show you what I mean.
I think there was a Kermit map on the second thread on Haloscan really good and accurate map from sources.
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?71a4...
1 year ago
exactly how out of their heads were they?
1 year ago
Read the first part of my post. I don't even think the call took place( yet.) I was speculating based on a question that was asked by Loz.
1 year ago
why so testy, seattleite?