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Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:48:07 -0000

The cover-up for them all being negligent I cant comprehend but to state they covered up a death, murder or otherwise I just find too far fetched, hence my belief they were negligent because they left children alone but to believe Madeleine woke up and wandered off to look for them and was abducted seems the most realistic possibility to me

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John (Uk) — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:22:10 -0000

I can't think of any reason to doubt Amaral's theory of accident and cover up - but agree that the wondering off snatching is the only other realistic possibility.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:10:38 -0000

I too am of that opinion, will always be disgusted by the parents of Madeleine McCann and I will always be saddened by her image and memory.

Lynn x

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:25:55 -0000

Hello to all you stalwarts out there - keeping the faith for truth and justice for Maddie.

I have had lots to distract me and nothing much to say on the case so i haven't been on here for a while. It appears to be slightly less easy to access newest comments - took me about 5 minutes to get my head around the new settings - but here I am.

I too have been saddened by the wierd 'emmerging news' that Maddie was actually ordered by a ring and I can't say that I have any faith in the 'evidence'of this coming so late in the day. Also saddened by the apparent winding down of the whole affair as this is what I dreaded from a few months after the sorry event when it became obvious that there was both more and less to this than we all knew.

I think my end theory will be this: I do believe that the whole 'Abducticator' image and timeline drawn up by T9 was a load of rubbish and simply a good old fashioned smokescreen for the fact that they all knew that thay did not behave as they should have that night. I do not in the end believe that Maddie's parents or any other members of the group killed Maddie - but they were all party to negligence in her care to varying degrees as ALL were aware of and involved in the arrangements that had been made that night for ALL of children - this could have happened to another child - but I believe Maddie woke up and went looking for her Mum and Dad and wandered and was found by an opportunist. I might also be persuded that a predatory pedo watched the family looking for obvious opportunities and found one.

We will never know - least not for the forseeable future - frustrating and sad for all concerned particularly her family - who will never know.

Love and peace as always,
Liz x :)

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John (Uk) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:18:26 -0000

Lynn,

It does seem to have all come to nought - but I am still checking 3As, websleuths and maccannfiles from time to time. Kate's diary was published - the biggest load of rubbish I ever read. A great letter from Amaral's wife - but all the discussion is just going over and over the same ground, even CM seems to have gone away somewhere!

Anyway cheers to you and Stanley if he is still around and also thanks to Steve for creating this thread.

So sad that we never got truth - but sadder still for Madeleine.

Cheers

John

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:23:19 -0000

Just wanted to say that it looks like things are winding up all over the place and that the less we hear on the news about Madeleine the less chance there is we shall ever know. I will keep checking this site to see if any updates but tragically as with many missing children I think Madeleine is sadly gone but never forgotten in the hearts of many who hoped for a happy ending by now and definately in the future. I still am disgusted and feel very justified in saying that Kate and ~Gerry stand for everything I detest in negligent parents and that I feel they should be brought to justice, although if they have any decent bone in their body they will somehow have to deal with this being simply their fault. I would never in a million years leave my children alone and unlike the many that apparently do I hope they have learnt a lesson on how precious our children are. In an ideal world I pray for peace and an end to the horrific suffering children who abused go through, this is just one part of crimes against children, trafficking and slavery being other just as prolific crimes. Hopefully one day, before I die we will find out and be able to put this case to rest and lay Madeleine to rest, if indeed as I suspect she has passed away. I thoroughly appreciate all comments and interesting discussions we have all had and I want to thanks Steve for hosting this blog. Peace to all lynn x

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John_Uk — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:08:13 -0000

Same here Lynn - I can't make it flat or old/new and I can't work out why!

I keep looking on 3As and websleuths to see if anything is happening - and basically nothing is - although the way in which the PJ files are coming out is rather odd. The Brit press just publish selective bits with slanted headlines and elsewhere the statements of the T9 and so on seem to be coming out one by one.

Clarence Mitchell has a new job and you just get the sense the whole thing is winding down. I think that if anything does come to light it will be around the mysterious goings on with the fund and Brian Kennedy which I still find inexplicable.

Spurs! At least Newcastle hasn't sold its best strikers to top-four teams!!! Grrrrr!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:22:28 -0000

Hi

I too am having problems reading it - I cannot view it flat or new it is not giving me a choice - have to search for newest quotes - Spurs are having a bad start - try being a Geordie!!!!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:42:29 -0000

John I have no problem except no-one is saying anything! Disappointing start to the season for Spurs!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John_Uk — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:04:12 -0000

I don't know about anyone else but I am finding this thread difficult to use now.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:58:50 -0000

Hi. Hope there are still people on here "keeping the faith". What do you make of this?

http://tinyurl.com/4t6ovg

The piece like many others does not seem to know who is paying whom. Maybe that should have been whom is paying who, or, never mind.

I still believe this is a money laundering exercise. However that does not explain what is in it for Kennedy. That is one of the enduring mysteries.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

Susan (US) — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:55:36 -0000

Thanks for all your comments. i am sorry the link to the CCTV footage didn't work - if you do a search on Sky News you can probably find it. It is not the CCTV footage from the bank in Brussels, which has been ruled out. I thought it was CCTV footage from the party store in Amsterdam, but I just found a reference on another site that says it was taken on May 4 2007 in a gas (petrol) station in Albufeira. Evidently this footage was in the files that have recently been released but the McCann's were never told about it. I have not seen anything indicating their reaction to viewing it now, that is, if they can tell if it is Madeleine or not.

Here is a quote from the Telegraph:

CCTV images were also withheld from the couple.

They were shown one, take in a petrol station near Praia da Luz on May 4, of a young girl holding hands with a woman, but they were able to quickly rule it out.

A second image of a girl at a Repsol petrol station near Albufeira on the same day was not shown to the McCanns.

Do any of you know if the McCanns have now seen this footage?

Also, there seems to be a lot of buzz online about the horrors of the idea that Madeleine was 'sold to order' to a paedophile ring - I agree of course that this would be horrible, however, wasn't this one of the very first theories/scenarios? It is not a new idea. I totally agree that if this were the case, it would be very unlikely that the people who took her would be showing up in various public places with her. Still, I am not ruling out that there are other scenarios we might not have considered (if that is possible), and I am holding out hope that one of these sightings is going to be the real thing.

Susan

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

Lynn — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:31:40 -0000

I hope (the romantasist in me) but I also am a realist and know that as Stanley says no gang in their right mind would steal a child to order, abuse her and god knows what else and then, especially in this case with all the publicity, walk around with her as if there was nothing wrong. To me they would simply dispose of her, as sad as that seems, I believe that is what would happen. After all the pedophile industry is a multi million if not billion making profitable business (as sick as that is it is true). When I did criminology I read about a group called the Rainbow Club that had over 1 million members world wide that were into child porn etc. In an ideal world Madeleine would be found with a loving caring family, in this world she is no longer with us in my humble opinion.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:53:56 -0000

I like all other normal people consider pedophiles to be the lowest form of life. However even the worst of them would not be stupid enough to display the worlds best known child in supermarkets and garages throughout the low countries, unless of course they were just trying to get money from the media and flights to Rothley Airport paid for by the Madeleine Fund. I think the time has come to rename the fundraising arm of Team McC to Gerry and Kate are innocent OK. I just cannot understand the media publishing these photos, it is so bloody obvious that if poor M was alive (I believe not) she would never be seen in public again. I also think it was very thoughtful of the Belgian gang to inform Scotland Yard of their impending crime. So why did they not tell us about it until after the PJ released their evidence. Were they also bound by secrecy? I think not.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

Lynn — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:13 -0000

For some odd reason my last two posts have gone for moderation so here is a summise of them again:

Firstly I am concerned that the horror of Madeleine being dead is not the worst case scenario for fearing she has been snatched to order by vile pedophiles who can inevitably kill for "viewers" as well as do many other things is more fearsome and worse than her dying accidentally or otherwise.

The fact we now have lots of sightings of Madeleine does indeed, like Susan, fill me with hope that one day she may be found.

Looking at all the so-called evidence I have to say there is no way I would convict the McCanns of anything more than child neglect which in itself is severe. If the PJ believe that the DNA evidence was more than enough to convict and would be in other countries then why was this not the case, surely the evidence DNA or otherwise simply isn't sufficient to place "the crime" on the McCanns.

I do support anyone who tries to do something to stop the pedophiles and to stop abductions, the McCanns or whomever shall have my support on those matters. As for their guilt or innocence I still remain impartial as to date I have nothing concrete to go on, except the fact they were 100% neglectful.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John_Uk — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:23:50 -0000

Susan - video link didn´t work for me but I think I have seen it on TV. Forgive cynicism but there have been so many of these supposed sightings that proved false and are actually the most popular thing with the press. So I would be surprised (but pleased ) if it turned out to be her.

I looked at Amaral´s book iin the bookshop but it was 12.75 euros and call me a cheapskate but it seems to have been overtaken by events (also my Portuguese is pretty bad so I would need a lot of help to understand it). I saw him itserviewed on the news last night when he said the DNA evidence is strong - in other words in another country it would have been enough, he was then followed by a scientist who said the same and that the tests should be repeated and could still give a result !

However I think it is too convenient and expedient to shelve the case - it suits everyones interest. Everyone except Madeleine of course.

In my view the only chance of this unraveling is more evidence coming to light and\or a witness ´remembering´ something more.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

Susan (US) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:46:56 -0000

I am curious to know what you all make of the video released yesterday of the little girl in the party shop that might have been Madeleine? I am including a link in case you need it.

I have not seen anything about the McCann's reaction to this CCTV footage or anything about whether it is being analyzed to determine if it is Madeleine. If any of you have that info could you please share it?

I also want to point out that Madeleine was almost 4 when she went missing, and a very verbal, bright, outgoing (as she has been described by her parents) 4 year old would be very capable of saying something like 'she's not my mummy', 'they took me from my holiday' etc.

I know you may laugh me off this site for any optimism at this point but I am still hopeful that she is alive and will be found soon.

http://tinyurl.com/5k5cxs

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:45:57 -0000

The Dutch "sighting" is particularly irksome. While it is obviously nonsense, Team McCann will a) blame the PJ for not following such a wonderful lead. b) send M3 on a pointless trip. It is the second bit I find mystifying. The only explanation for throwing away £10,000 from the Find Madeleine Fund, is if it magically re-appears as £5,000 in a K&G account. Anyone got a better explanation?

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:46:45 -0000

I think perhaps that the CM spin coming out now is trying to damn the PJ, damned if they did, damned that they didn't. The Dutch sighting is nothing more than spin, yes it may have happened but think logically WHAT 3 year old can say I have been taken from my holiday, my name is Maddie and they are not my parents. Another thing Gerry and Kate both staated its Madeleine not Maddie so why then would the little girl call herself that???

Surely anyone who came across a girl saying that would ring local police not contact the PJ, all seems way to suss for me.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:39:45 -0000

John this is one of the great mysteries surrounding the release. The PJ have not yet released the report on the dogs. We were told beforehand that this was to be the case but no explanation was given. I personally live in hope that the PJ have given them rope and they will hang themselves before the damning evidence is forthcoming. The Dutch sighting is a very positive sign. Team McCann who have recently been rubbishing all unsubstantiated (paid for by Kennedy) sightings are latching on to this with glee. Why? Because they can claim that the PJ did not follow it up. They probably did. However most sane people would realise that kidnappers, pedos, whatever, do not trail their English speaking captive, with the best known face in the world, called Maggie or even Maddie into Dutch supermarkets. However that will not stop M3 going there, in the wake of the 30 reporters who have already been, and finding bugger all at enormous expense. All to convince the public that Gerry & Kate really are caring parents. Leaving no stomach unturned, particularly mine.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John_Uk — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:17:57 -0000

I´ve caught up with things a bit now. It does seem amazing that Kate would not answer questions like what she saw when she went into the room. Maybe some of the questions could be construed as being rather pointed - but all reasonable I would have thought and to answer them would simply have cleared things up. She wrote to Rebelo asking to work together after Amaral was replaced - well yes ... work together by answering the questions surely! I have read a lot about the JT sketch map which also seems rather puzzling. How could she walk pass two people she knew and not be seen and so on.

The sniffer dogs who normally are regarded as national heroes have been totally ignored by the press. All is ignored in preference for the Dutch sighting which if my memory serves me right was at a time when there were daily sightings all round the world.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:45:08 -0000

K refused to answer 48 questions put to her by the PJ. All the press have done is publish the questions with the quotation from Clarrie that she had every right to do so as an arguido. It is not the fact that it is done without comment that is as peculiar, as that every newspaper has done the same. It is almost like a D notice has been served. You would think one of them would have the balls to ask why a mother anxious to find her daughter refuses to answer the very obvious questions put to her by the authority trying to find a solution to the case. It has to be said also that K&G have been remarkable by their absence ever since the files were opened. One thing that this has finished is the illusion that the Portuguese were inefficient. Every I is dotted and every T crossed. Also during the investigation not a single innocent Brazilian was murdered by the PJ, amazing.

The sketch that JT gave to the PJ. I believe that the Met are looking for bundleman in relation to the Dando shooting. In the absence of another mentally retarded man, one with no facial features is their best bet? Thank god for British justice!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

John_Uk — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:09:48 -0000

I am in Portugal and ironically there has been little on the news except an interview with Amaral and an announcement that the files have been made public - I managed to get on 3As but I just found it confusing. There are pics of the apartment and the bedroom and so on and a window with a slightly opened shutter. DNA 15\19 counts and marks where the samples were taken.

Whereever this is going it does not seem to bemoving anywhere that is any kind of solution. I agree with Lynn - but questions (over 40 of them ) will plague me. Boa sorte tudos.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

stanley — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:36:47 -0000

I can no longer access the 3A's forum. Am I being very silly?

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lynn — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:39:12 -0000

Looks like everyone has faded into the background like the Madeleine McCann case has. I don't expext any new developments and I am guessing this case shall remain an unsolved mystery. I just hope one day justice does prevail. I shall check in from time to time. Take care lynn x